ATTENTION! Buyers & Sellers of Trisphee!
 

Is inflation really necessary?

Seriously, I know past EI's, and DI's can get up there. But c'mon now. No one needs to get greedy. Or even pay too much.
There are price guides for a reason. I think everything in there is priced reasonably and that you should give it a look.

So, why buy two of last months' items for 10k? We know they're not worth that much. And sellers, you might want the aurum, but try not to forget new users, or the people who can't spend a lot of time on the site.

We want to make this place fun. Not a huge money suck. If you've done this, please don't think this is directed at you specifically. I wanted it to be a reminder for everyone since prices have been raising dramatically and for no reason.

Maybe you have too much aurum and you're just trying to burn it. How about donating it? Just a thought. lol And if you need aurum, I'll chat with you.

Catch you around.
<3 Sushi

P.s: For all your hoarders, it's okay to let people who don't have 5 of each item have a chance. xD

*hugs Sushi* I love you.

Sushi, hello again! *gives cupcake*

You mean... we shouldn't sell things at ridiculous prices and make it super hard to get anything because it is so hard to get any of these items? O:

I have seen the light! <3

And some people shouldn't bid super huge amounts of aurum, especially on things they have, just because they can. Cause of course sellers would like to get such sums from everyone, always... But only few people can afford it.

THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

/ clings to. My hero. <33

A-FREAKING-MEN.

Couldn't have said it better myself. xD;

Sorry kids, but if Sushi isn't selling or buying anything, I have to move this thread.

He speakith the truth! Let it be.... common unwritten law for the guild of exchangers!

It's as much the buyer's faults for paying the price as it is the sellers for asking for it, just to point out. ~shrug~

I agree with this thread. U8

And like others have said the main root of the problem is people who throw out a ton of aurum for items that shouldn't be going for so much. D:
You know, those people who see an item they like so they bid double the usual price on it because they want it NOW. If you'd just wait a bit you can still get the item and for half the price you're trying to pay for it now. And so can other people.

Let's use a current month's DIs as an example. The average price on new DIs are about, what 2.5k? That's what I try to pay for mine at least. You'll see some people bidding 4k or 5k for ONE of the current DIs for the month. Of course the buyer isn't going to say "Oh no, I'd like it if you'd halve your offer please."
They're going to take it. So then other buyers see that and will either ask for that amount automatically or will wait until someone comes along and pays that much for it. Then you're gonna get inflation.

So really, if people wouldn't just throw out so much aurum on an item because they want it NOW instead of waiting a bit longer to find another one and pay the average price, we'd be all right. D:
There are gonna be some buyers who try to ask for more of course, but when they see that people aren't gonna buy their items for so much they'll eventually come down on their prices.

I bought two of this months items for 8.5k X3. It's called the buyer has no patience and always misses rune sellers <.<. Anyway I think I don't mind paying 5k for a current RDI just because I'm on a site with 1 dollar=10 donation currency and their DIs sell for 5k each now XD. So I just don't have a problem doing it. Although another site I'm on with equivalent donation item pricing has donation items that are usually sold at 2kish. Which I actually find really odd considering that it's older than the other site I think. But anyway paying 5kish per would just feel natural to me due to the other site I'm on I guess. Especially since it's actually harder to get the gold on that site. I was actually thinking about this when I payed 8.5k for this months RDIs. Although I know that other sites shouldn't effect what I do on here, but they kinda do XD.

I have weird logic, just ignore my ramblings <.<

I can understand where you're coming from but that's THAT sites economy. Trisphee's is gonna be a bit different and the average price for new DIs are lower than that. So paying double the price for the DIs here is just going to cause inflation, and then it makes it harder to get items here. >:
Trisphee is a bit slow sometimes and it can be hard to find sellers but I would still rather wait and not pay as much than pay double for something and be part of inflation that isn't necessary. D:

And honestly even if I REALLY want a new DI and I'm bidding in a thread for it, I'm not gonna go over my own personal cap for that item. If someone goes and bids 4k then I'm just gonna forget about it because I know I will eventually be able to find it again cheaper.

Like I said, I have weird logic and I know that other sites shouldn't effect what I do on here X3

Inflation ftw *w* *explodes* x.x

The classic tale of how the rich get richer.

I can sort of understand it as well in a sense in the first place... people are willing to pay more because it's not hard to get aurum on here. I mean... you get like, nearly 40 aurum per post. That's only 50 posts for 2000 aurum... which, really, isn't that much when you're having a conversation. This coming from me, who doesn't actually post often.

But not everyone can afford to spend time to post 100 posts, even more for just ONE item, if there are also the old quests to get and so on.

That's the point for avatar sites sadrain! To earn aurum so you can work for an item. Sites aren't supposed to go "here's all are items enjoy"
They don't have time? Then why are they here to begin with? If they like the site MAKE time for it.

Seriously I've been wanting a increase in prices sense October.
The point of a avatar community is to talk, have fun, work for currency.

I will admit I have a lot of items, but I also spend a lot of my time here. There's s big difference between people who spend a lot of time here compared to people who don't.

The problem isn't that people don't work for their aurum. it's that there aren't very many rune sellers, and it's not fair to dramatically raise prices for no good reason. It just makes the rich richer and sucks the fun out of it for everyone else. I know that may benefit you personally, but this site does not revolve around you. Some people have real lives that they have to attend to. Some people are just now joining and don't have the time to earn 10k to get the monthlies. Some people don't have the time to stalk the marketplace to buy items before you make inflated offers on them. Some people want to be on Trisphee for FUN and to take a BREAK from life, not to spend their entire lives online.

Natural inflation of items happens, but it should happen gradually and not because one person wants to drive up the prices and ruin it for everyone else.

The amount of time I spend here is probably unhealthy (actual in-use time is likely at least five hours a day, but I have the page open and check around for at least that much again.) Unless something comes up, I'm on here (among other sites) pretty much from the moment I wake up to right before I go to bed.

And yet, I'm lucky to make 1,000 aurumn a day, mostly because of how the system rewards posting many, many short entries over lengthy discussion entries. It's hard to get a conversation going and have it last, without it degenerating into random chatter that honestly strikes me as borderline spam in a lot of cases. I joined this site, as you said, to talk, not to babble, and finding things to talk about and people willing to converse about them isn't always easy.

So, you can put me firmly in the "throwing money around to inflate prices and polarize the market is mean-spirited and elitist" camp.

My selling threads are usually commons for everyone and it's at a 10-30% discount from the original price. I rarely see people selling commons; those are the ones that I draw to the most since I'm not a hoarder on EIs and DIs since I have between 1 to 2 of the same thing and that's it.

And I like commons when the other items dont work on the look that I want to go for

I'm finding this happen quite often recently and have been thinking to myself "Man, things are just going up!" Just recently someone gave me an offer of how much they wanted for the Bakenecko, 8.5K. I'm sorry, that's too much. I understand that this item is going to be a little more expensive because it came out late and there wasn't a lot of time to buy it, but, that does not mean you can charge me an outrageous price.

I wait and see what's cheaper. And I'm on almost all day too right now because this is how I fill my free time so I'm able to get about 1.5-2.5 a day from posting around.

So, please don't up the prices because you can. It's not nice.

Just because the you spend a ton on here, Illusion, doesn't really mean anything.
There are people that spend just as much time on here as you,
maybe more, but don't have as much. Yes, the point of an avatar
site is to talk, not to raise prices to super high
heights where you have to post a million times to get one item. :/
I'm on as much as you are, but you don't see me with 5OO donation items.
/ exaggerating. People have a life. People have jobs, a family,
other things they have to care about. That's why people that love
this site can't get on often. You wouldn't really understand
because we're still in school and don't have jobs and a family to care for.
What you said, Tyler, is kind of like a slap in the face to me. A hard slap.


What I think people need to understand is just because you have 5OOk in aurum that
doesn't mean you can start spending insane amounts on items, then cause things to
sky-rocket in price because people want the price your paying.
Take that extra aurum and try to help new people that come in so
more people actually STAY on the site. Maybe donating to some of
the charities around the site that help people out would help.
But don't spend 2Ok on 2O runes just because you can. It's rude to people that don't have that kind of money and are on often.

To be completely honest, if it wasn't for Ultima helping me out so much I wouldn't have stayed. I mean I wanted to be here, but, I also wanted an avatar that I thought was really stellar and awesome.

As much as I love to hoard money when I get on Avatar sites, this is the first one that I plan on helping new people when I get the chance to. It's the right thing to do considering I was, and still am, helped by someone who has been on this site for a long time.

I think that's a good point. helping out new people and encouraging them to stay will make Trisphee a much more successful site in general. thank you, Night and Desmond, for bringing that up.

@Night
True, but it doesn't mean people do the same thing on here like other trisphee members. Like you, you buy tons of commons. I don't.
And I know people have lives, I know it can be hard to post in a good conversation or a conversation at all on trisphee. But if people expect every item to come to them at once my question is what kind of mind do they have?
To be honest I'd love to donate, but Quests threads seem generic to me so I don't bother going posting in them unless its in my own just to talk :/ (And if you ask why I have a quest thread to begin with, I had it sense Beta and I like talking there :/)
I'm not here to raise prices (even though I've been wanted the prices of runes go to 2k per 10 sense forever.) If there is a item I want, sure I will bid high because I want it.
And nobody needs to do anything, do what they want. Even if the choices are bad or good its up to them to decide. 20k on runes sure is a lot, but if you want the items go for it nobody is stopping you.
And yeah money does run out at some point. That's when you go in and talk even more to earn stuff.

Illusion, I earn about 40-50Aurum for all of my posts. I post at least twice an hour. I spend about 5 hours on trisphee a day.

That's a usual day. so, let's say, I make the biggest average posts for thattime, so 50 Aurum per post.

50*(2*5)= 500

I earn 500 Aurum that day.

Okay.

so in.....ten days, I should have one DI, if people keep offering in the 4-5K range on them.

In ten days, a new user, if they spent time here, but not posting much, would have ONE mega-cool item, and if they make rather large posts.

All this while seeing other people wandering around with great avis.

Now, I do agree that it's great that people who spend more time on here are rewarded, I don't believe in punishing those with lives. About 6-7 months ago, my activity I could have here dropped like a stone. I then had to realize very quickly what being a normal user felt like. It sucks when you REALLY just want ONE new DI....and you have to offer everything you have for it.

Now, old DIs, those inflate nicely. But, new ones, inflating the moment they come out? ....oy vey...

Being richer than others doesn't entitle you to things. Others being poor is no crime.

Being on a site more doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. It just means you have more time to run about on a website. The rest of us, however, have things to do. I have writing, which doesn't take up ALL my time, but some, I have batty, I have looking for work, I have working for my family, I have school usually, I have a social life, etc.... I have a LOT going on.

Are you saying I should be denied things here, because you want things to be more valuable? You see, look at it from that angle. What would you think, if you were poor on this site, and you saw that post? "Oh, I like to spend 20K on MY runes. Your quests aren't spiffy enough for me. Away with you~"

I know you probably meant no harm by that, but it's terribly insulting to EVERYONE ELSE.

You just told all the questers and poorer people they aren't worth the time, nor the items, and that's kinda rude. It's good to think about the things you say before you say them.

Illusion, yer a good guy, I like ya, so that's why I even take the time to say all this XD *gives cookie* I also had a cookie for you. It's tasty, I think. I wouldn't know, I didn't eat it, as it's, like, for you...n...stuff. owo

I'm not saying people should be denied anything, yes Trisphee can be a break from life for people. And yes bigger avies for a new person might intimidate you. But not everyone would or should be scared off (I don't really understand why anyone would be scared off to begin with but thats just me.)
Also even though its nice to have things new, and they will most likely go down in price afterwards. Doesn't mean you have to wait or get them right away. Its like if a new game console comes out, everyone wants it because its cool and fancy, and of course there will be a price cut in the future. But some people will pay the extra dollar for it now to show off and enjoy or they will just wait until their convenience. And if they didn't like the console they can easily just try and sell it to some else who wants it or trade it in for something else.

Trisphee needs to branch out more then anything, the only thing i find is sad that all the arguments this site has. I always tell myself to stop going into threads like these and just do what I normally do without maddening people who don't quite understand my point of view or me understanding theirs. People will complain and bitch but alright. Its their right to speak unless the Admins say no. Hopefully we will have a forum for discussions like this so they are not so public and we can hide our anger.

Did I just say quest forums weren't worth my time? Or do words speak on their own? I'm just saying quest threads aren't interesting unless there is awesome people backing it up or pretty signatures that catch my attention.

It's implications to watch out for, dude. Like, if you say "I bet it was those neighbors across the street what stole my TV!" and those neighbors aren't white? People assume you're a racist. Did you say it was due to their race? No. Could they have your TV, IN THEIR HANDS, standing in front of everyone, and you would still get called a racist? You betcha.

Also, I would like to make sure it is noted that this thread is not a personal attack on anyone. Yes, I am speaking directly to Illusion right now, but I am trying not to be mean about it, as I have no ill will here. Illusion, if you feel assaulted by my words, tell me.

also, if I see this becoming something of a flaming thread, well....yeah. I'll be keeping an eye on this...

So what is your solution to that?
Keep rereading and find the implications?
Plus its hard to understand implications when people point them out and you don't understand what they mean and you go on making more on accident to describe your view.

Well, sadly, that's just going to happen for the most part. Now, I think a better way to put that may have been that you think maybe they should put actual effort into their quest threads before they expect donations, by maybe adding color, and format. Ok, cool.

That? Sounds insulting. Maybe I'm thinking too much like modern day media, but...people take things out of context, all the time, religiously some people. I mean, seriously, there are people who make their entire LIFE out of misunderstandings, and taking things out of context.

We call them reporters, these days. (No offense, to any honest reporters out there, of course ;3 )

True, mistakes are a unfortunate given, but also something to look forward to so you know all the corrections you must solve in yourself or something else.

Well, glad I could hopefully help you see an issue.

Remember, it's not even always what you say, but how you say things.

Everyone could do with watching that a bit more...

Quest threads bore me personally. I mean it's pretty much just I want this or that item and I'm questing it. I mean it's a quest thread. It's not like it can be radically different. Of course things like charities and market threads are like that too. I like charity threads though because they fun and there are usually contests which I love. I like market threads because selling and buying is always fun. Quest threads don't really benefit me to look at unless I want to chat with the people in it.

Anyway, back on topic. I lurk around here but I don't post much. I post enough to get the items I want and that's about it. Although I'll probably be posting on here more now that school is over. Anyway I just don't think its that difficult to get items(even if current DIs were 5k per) by posting just enough. I think prices have rose because demand is high and there doesn't seem to be as many suppliers of runes/DIs as there used to be. Whenever someone does sell they seem to run out fast. So I think it makes sense that the prices rose, but that's just my thoughts.

I like Ashley's post xD
That sums my thoughts up pretty nicely.
Post Little Enough = Sure you can reach a DI or two.
If you can't get a super special item from little posting, try and start conversations. I'm very conversation hungry and new threads attract me *.*

That's because commons make the world go round. 8D haha.
I'm not saying people are expecting every item to come out at
once. I'm saying that when an item does come up in the market
that it should be priced fairly. not like 5k for this month's
DI's. That's the problem now.
Well, then don't go to quest threads. Try the charities that are
going around. They would gladly take donations to be able to help
someone else out. And that is kind of rude, Tyler. I agree with
Hermes with the Quest thread statement.
Well, doing that is going to raise prices, Tyler. You need to
understand that. People are going to want that price your buying
items for, and therefore things being to raise in price until it
gets out of hand.
Then the site is going to suffer then. :/ Hermes' post makes
great sense. I'm not trying to force people into donating, but it
should be something people might want to consider. It's a thought.
.... AND SINCE WHEN DO YOU ACTUALLY DONATE.
You're going to learn fast what it's like to have very little and
know what it's like to spend everything you have for one item.

Back last year, over the summer when I joined, and then Trisphee went into OB, and....I didn't know what to do with the items and Aurums I had hoarded.

So, I bought commons, and was my own personal charity, passing aurums out to new people, just a few hundred here and there. I couldn't be happier with the results, either. Sure, not all of them stayed, but the ones that did? AWESOME. And the ones that didn't? They enjoyed the time they were here, and I was part of the reason why they did.

That's what this site is about to me. Not just talking to people, but making something like friends with said people...

OB ? ouo
I joined in August I believe, so I don't know when it would've happened. x n x
But it's nice that you did that. It makes lots of sense.
People need to feel welcome here ... just talking to people doesn't mean
you're really doing anything super special.
I just wish some people would see that, but they don't. :c