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Lauv Keiko 11-01-2013 09:01 PM

Hey uhm.... just an important question.
 
Are the October monthlies out yet? o3o
and when will the november ones released?

I keep thinking that the ones in the archaic antiquities are oct monthlies, but I'm not so sure...

Kaguya 11-01-2013 11:05 PM

Don't forget that the new r.i.gs are over half a month late too.
When are they due out?

Meizicht 11-01-2013 11:07 PM

There's only so much they can do when they're shorthanded. x__x
You have to remember there's only so many people on staff and every one of them has jobs, school, their own lives, and they're doing what they can. Delays are a part of the season around this time.

Edit: Don't forget that there was also this event they had to prepare for on top of their real life stuff they have to do, along with any new item updates - I'm sure they are concerned about catching up with monthlies and rigs and everything else, but they're human just like us. x__x

Lauv Keiko 11-01-2013 11:08 PM

Oh, that too. I've mislooked. Thanks for pointing that out, kagu-chan <3

Lauv Keiko 11-01-2013 11:11 PM

@meiz: ;3; ah yes, the inevitable pull of reality.

Kaguya 11-01-2013 11:19 PM

To be honest you could hardly call this an event, it seems half baked Meiz compared to what they use to be like. People can/will understand people being busy with real life and such, thus why a lot of people have stepped down from being staff. After all real life must come first.

I would suggest if they are finding it hard to stay on a schedule that has been in place for four years why not cut back on the poses of Di's? It would be easier on designers, pixelists and those who recolor a like.

Meizicht 11-01-2013 11:31 PM

I'll be honest as well; I don't think it should be expected that a handful of people who are in college or working 2-3 jobs have the time to create an event that satisfies everyone. =/
Even lowering the poses on DIs isn't going to fix much; it doesn't create time for them to make them in, while yes, it would be a little easier, it's not something they can just whip up in an hour or two. And for people with full time jobs, full time school, what have you, one or two hours is sometimes the most they get.
I'm just saying, it's not like they're just going "to hell with it". They're doing what they can. x__x


I'm probably going to tick people off, so I'm sorry beforehand. x__x

Lauv Keiko 11-01-2013 11:36 PM

Your opinion matters, meiz. And I guess it would be their problem if they get ticked off.

I want to know people's side on this.

Poggio 11-01-2013 11:41 PM

Kag: Simply put, people have expectations, you can't just lower the DI poses and then still charge 20 runes. Its not worth it.

Gallagher 11-01-2013 11:52 PM

Meiz is right about this in a lot of respects. One suggestion I often hear is to just get rid of the people that have no time and bring in ones that do, but that has its own issues, too. Between stylistic preferences, payment negotiations, etc, it can be extremely difficult finding the right fits. We found ourselves in the current situation suddenly, and we are doing our best to turn it around. It's very likely we'll be doing quite a few cut backs, as has been suggested, but until we have someone with serious time to work at all, the point is moot.

And on that point, the schedule hasn't been the same for four years. I know of quite a few things that have changed with our scheduling and how it's balanced even just since I started working with the art team.

As for the event, we are, unfortunately, also limited by what our coders are able to pull off with their time. If we could release games and bug fixes and all of that as we please, then we would. It isn't as if we're holding back out of sheer disinterest. This event, we have tried a few new things to try and keep things within our schedule and keep them from being recycled nonsense. Parts have worked, other parts have not, and we will be keeping this in mind for the next event.

Lauv Keiko 11-02-2013 12:05 AM

I wish I had a tablet. ._.

Gallagher 11-02-2013 12:12 AM

I wish I could magically pixel! D8 -keeps practicing-

Lauv Keiko 11-02-2013 01:52 AM

.__. I wish I could code. ;3;

Areishia 11-02-2013 03:18 AM

To be honest, I can understand if there won't be any October DIs due to the fact that the team already had to make a number of items for the event. It's sad but, at the same time, understandable.

However, I am rather worried at the possibility that there won't be any DIs for September as well D:. I really hope this is not the case and that they're just a little late ^^;.

I personally like the event even if collecting lanterns was more frustrating than fun during the first 1-2 days ^^;. The event items are very nice and using them is fun :3, the games by the NPCs are also very charming even if I fail at most of them xD.

Chloe 11-02-2013 08:51 AM

That does sound quite bothersome.. I'm learning how to code and all this year for school with Java so I can get a job in either website or game designing in the future.. I doubt I have enough experience to really do much at the moment but I can understand that for events you need the background people to make things run smoothly.. and I am sure it's the coders who also need to code the items into the site as well? Not just the pixeling and recoloring elements as well, you need to be sure the items equip right and no bugs before releasing them.

And with holidays coming up, Thanksgiving for the staff in the US than Christmas, it would be expected people are busy and there will be delays. No site is perfect.. every one runs into hiccups. At least they were trying to get an event up for the members, even if it's not like the ones in the past, it still shows they are trying.

Lauv Keiko 11-02-2013 10:10 AM

If Chloe can code, she can try and help tris >o<?

Yokuutsu 11-02-2013 11:36 AM

My thoughts: I would have rather the event be delayed. If there a story line to it at all? (It also doesn't help that I don't really like the items, nothing wrong with them, I just remember other event items being better, of course that could just be my brain glorifying them)

I am a bit disappointed is no October Items....since it's the Halloween month and that seems to be the most likely, for any website, to have something good. But it isn't like I have money to buy runes....and I can rarely if ever find someone selling them so...-shrugs-

Kaguya 11-02-2013 12:02 PM

Poggio, I donate to another site that has 3 - 4 colors for their di's and 3 - 5 poses. You pay for the color not for the pose.

for example

I want every pose of a DI here I'll be paying $40+ because of things like individual sleeves, boots, socks, belts, hair, extensions so on so forth. On the site I go to and actually do donate to, I want every pose in every color I pay $7.50 - $10 and have it, and the community is happy with that so don't put it on the users and say they wouldn't pay for it as they will if it is for quality work something that isn't in items as it stands. After all quality over quantity.

Meiz, the site I go on has one coder, one artist and three mods. The coder and the artists are full time collage students, and have jobs. Each of the mods have a job so the fact of school and work can't be used as an excuse I'm sorry, more so as this site has more staff than the user base requires (at least in the mod department). Your opinion does matter, and I'm not ticked off by it as just like you I have been staff and understand just how hard and draining it is to do things. Myself like other users would just prefer to wait for something decent than something half baked that looks rushed.

Galla when I said has been the same in the last for years I meant such as the DI's being released on the first of every month. Events change dates, but lets be honest there hasn't been that much of an update in the storyline since what the nox event last year. I know yourself and the other staff members are passionate but the way things are going it would be kinder to put the site out of it's misery. This is my opinion and I don't care if it ticks you or anyone else off as I seen this site in 2010 and it's now just a shadow of its former self.

Areishia 11-02-2013 12:15 PM

I'd much rather not see another avatar site I actually like closing down D:! (I'm a former Crysandrea member and was very sad when I found out that the site would not be relaunched and I'd hate to see Trisphee have the same fate T.T, but, then again that might just be me...).

Meizicht 11-02-2013 12:21 PM

If this site closed down, I would have nowhere to go when I really need to take my mind off things without being judged or trolled. x__x;
It's a big deal to me. Even if the items aren't released on time, even if they're not as good as the last. I'm not here for the items, I'm here for the feeling of having a place to go.
This site actually makes a big difference for me, just being here xD;


Also, since I don't have a job and I'm not in school myself, I realize I know nothing about it so I'm sorry.

Ultima 11-02-2013 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meizicht (Post 1594660)
Even if the items aren't released on time, even if they're not as good as the last. I'm not here for the items, I'm here for the feeling of having a place to go.
This site actually makes a big difference for me, just being here

^That. It honestly makes me upset when people leave because there is a lack of storyline/item updates.

I'm here for the community. For the friends I've made and the friends I've yet to make. To have somewhere to go when I need to talk and to be here for someone when they need to. It's like getting mad at a free con for not having enough events or vendors for you. It's like ... you could try walking around and socializing? That's what it's there for. To hang out with people with similar interests.

Sorry if any of that sounded rude. I didn't mean for it to...

Poggio 11-02-2013 04:27 PM

@Kaguya: Would you really donate to tris? I don't want to sound mean by being blunt but for months now you have been saying you have been leaving. If we were to implement these changes would you stay as an active member? I am not trying to sound harsh but that is the whole point of the DI, to pay per pose. It helps raise the revenue for the site. The unique thing about the site in that having so many different poses is that you can pick and choose how things work for your avatar in the layering system. Not only this but certain artist have signature things they tend to design the most, hence why we have an influx of puffy sleves XD


I don't feel like this is a good solution for a few reasons that will eventually come to bite Trisphee back on the butt. I also do not want to get my hopes up and try something that I think the users will just bitch about regardless. I know that you think cutting out something is a good idea but doing that to A DI makes it no different then a RIG, not that it matters because many users have said various opinions before in the other thread similar of this nature. Unless the staff members find time to set aside for tris even in their busy schedule the situation needs something more drastic.

I am sure that the team will think about your suggestion, along with others that have already been proposed such as releasing recolors of old DI, various improvements on the sites coding and the events in the future.

Kaguya 11-02-2013 04:39 PM

For someone not wanting to be mean that was a very bitchy comment I have art comissioned and am giving away my items or would you rather another damn account filled with older rare items collecting dust and making the market place even more stagnant than it already is! And giving my history with this site... no I would never, ever donate to it again even if it was the last avatar site on the internet.

Chloe 11-02-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lauv Keiko (Post 1594647)
If Chloe can code, she can try and help tris >o<?

I am only learning the code so doubt I could be much help cause I glanced at the codes for an avatar site awhile back and it's not Java.. I believe they run on CSS.. Now if one of the coders wanted to take an apprentice on, I wouldn't mind helping and getting experience.

In a way, I go on forums to get a break from the world around me. I get to meet new people, maybe make a new friend in the process and socialize a bit. I don't require a ton of socializing.. I like a small, tight group of people and after that, I don't venture far from the group.

It is a little sad no October DIs cause it's the only month where you can get items that have twisted themes to them.. Most sites don't do items with blood, etc unless it's Halloween.. Some sites don't go farther than blood, which is sad cause I love making spooky avatars.

@Poggio - I know Kaguya is leaving for a fact.. some of the items she has in her giveaway are mine cause we felt it would be better just to combine our inventories and host one big giveaway/art request.

Poggio 11-02-2013 04:43 PM

@kag: That is what I do with my gaia account. I just let it rot even though I have a plethora of real invested money on the site.

littl3chocobo 11-02-2013 05:14 PM

well this is my two cents but if a person does not want to be here then they really need to leave. it is simple and appropriate and if that means giving your account to a proxy then fine but better gone of one's own choice than banned for being nasty on a regular basis


on the matter of the topic, i think if you are on a site just for the items you are not really invested but that is just me, though it might help if people still kept donating. there are yearlies if you need reimbursed but money might help since that means tris might be able to pay for the help it desperately needs

Poggio 11-02-2013 05:23 PM

@Chole: Giveaways and charities are fine. I was more curious if she really would pay for a down grade in an item or be an active user and in the user markets. Stuff like that. Because we would not just be doing this for single users we would be doing it on a whole. The whole population of tris would be buying into this idea. Working out the logistics, If/when she leaves we have to explain it to the other paying users as to why they are getting half instead of a whole.

Chloe 11-02-2013 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by littl3chocobo (Post 1594678)
well this is my two cents but if a person does not want to be here then they really need to leave. it is simple and appropriate and if that means giving your account to a proxy then fine but better gone of one's own choice than banned for being nasty on a regular basis

All would depend on the what they are banned for, and sometimes I question why some people who have been nasty to others, not naming anyone here, have not been banned? What goes around, comes around, as the old saying goes. And I really think your comment, Choco, was uncalled for about being banned for being nasty, I found that was quite rude in honesty. We all have rights to voice our opinions, and shouldn't that be the basis on improving the site? Listening to what the users say? And it's a free site, people can come back and check up to see what is going on or is that a crime now?

And not everyone has the funds to donate either.. it's nice to talk about people donating to help the site but you got to remember that everyone is facing finical problems with the current economy.. that is not going to change.. till members are in a state where they can afford to donate.

littl3chocobo 11-02-2013 05:38 PM

it was a little blunt i must admit but i have been reading and watching and i have noticed uncomfortable trends that are counterproductive to the site and this is a place where that counterproductive trend is taking place. it is ok to say when something is bothering you but trashing that something and disrespecting anyone who would defend it goes beyond that and falls into the realm of trolling



and that is true, there are people who cannot donate but for the people who CAN and choose not to because there are no current monthlies i wish to talk them into donating even if it is only a little to help keep the site from going under when the bills come due since i am not sure enough people are already invested in the idea of saving runes for the future or catching up on yearlies so far

Twigg 11-02-2013 08:14 PM

Kaguya - "The coder and the artists are full time collage students, and have jobs. Each of the mods have a job so the fact of school and work can't be used as an excuse I'm sorry, more so as this site has more staff than the user base requires (at least in the mod department)."

That's great for them, but at least for the pixelists (namely mon and I), we're going to college for design/art. Personally, I'm in the studio at least 4 nights a week working on assignments, and when I'm not I have classes to attend, other homework that needs doing, a house to clean, relationships to maintain, as well as hunting for a job to pay for my apartment. On top of all this, I've been dealing with pneumonia for the past two weeks.

That being said, there is a lack of pixelists on here to begin with. Mon is in school as well which keeps her just as busy as me, Moony had to resign, and Fen is very busy with work as well. I get that it sucks that we don't have that many update item-wise, believe me, I feel terrible that I can't personally do more. That's great that the other site you mentioned can do so much, but that's one example. Everyone's situation is different, and sometimes that means a delay, and all we can hope is that people still remain loyal to Tris and the community here.

That being said, it IS hard to find people that are wanting to take a pixelist job at the moment. I've been looking as well for someone to help out. Not many takers.

Ashy 11-02-2013 08:35 PM

Kinda drifting off topic here guys, yeah i went to offline staff for like forever cos i felt bad i couldnt contribute much. We know we have a lot of mods on the list but what you don't see is that most help out in other sections too, whether with sorting or proofreading writing or uploading achievements and even designs and recolours for some. We are working hard on trying to get the DI schedule back on track (even I tried to pixel which ended horribly xD) and Gall has been working almost non stop to get them done. Yeah so I think I was trying to make the point of patience or something, oh yeah event.

We ended up putting the event out because we already had the items done and its something we could actually do while waiting for DIs to be done. So rather than "hey guys no DIs yet sorry", we have "hey guys we're sorry about the DI delay but here's something to do while you wait". Personally I'm enjoying the event because I'm actually posting for once and earning currency rather than chasing around staff for deadlines.

Meizicht 11-02-2013 10:47 PM

I keep reading Poggio's post over and over to find the part that is "bitchy" but for the life of me, I can't seem to see it.
I'm just saying I don't understand why this discussion exploded into nasty all of a sudden.
So this will be my last point before I stop posting in here, unless someone decides to get at me for what I'm going to say:

Trisphee is not about items. It's not about cash. There is no privileged few. For most people here, it is a place to go when you need friends to talk to, when you want a place to feel more like home than a giant monopoly like gaia that asks for you to pay rent. If you're here just for the items, that, to me, is cold. This is a site that focuses on the one thing that avi sites should focus on, and that's us. Isn't that kind of more important than some pixels? Instead of just seeing us as bundles of money. If it isn't your cup of tea, then just like everything else, find something that is. So, while they are doing what they can with making items, it would be a sad thing if you focus on solely that instead of the fact that there is a rare collection of human beings here that won't troll you over every single thing.
Even if you don't like the community, that doesn't mean the rest of us are the same. I love this community. It has saved me quite a few times when it comes to the state of my mind, than any other place. I met my best friends here, and I desperately do not want that taken away. =/
This site is kind of my helpline.
THAT is what is important to me. Not some pixels.
Maybe we should all calm down and take a bit to appreciate the people here for a bit instead of "when will the items be out, when will the items be better".

PS: Lets stop looking at it from "but other avi sites do this" sort of perspective as well. Trisphee is not "other avi sites". Maybe we should try to be different from all the others and continue to be a good community, instead of losing that over some items that don't even exist in the material world.


+waits for the angry responses+

Edit: In case this is taken as me targeting ( covering all bases here ), this is not aimed at anyone. It's for everyone.

Twigg 11-02-2013 10:49 PM

Meizicht, no angry response from me. You hit the nail on the head.

Coda 11-02-2013 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twigg (Post 1594760)
Kaguya - "The coder and the artists are full time collage students, and have jobs. Each of the mods have a job so the fact of school and work can't be used as an excuse I'm sorry, more so as this site has more staff than the user base requires (at least in the mod department)."

That's great for them, but at least for the pixelists (namely mon and I), we're going to college for design/art. Personally, I'm in the studio at least 4 nights a week working on assignments, and when I'm not I have classes to attend, other homework that needs doing, a house to clean, relationships to maintain, as well as hunting for a job to pay for my apartment. On top of all this, I've been dealing with pneumonia for the past two weeks.

That being said, there is a lack of pixelists on here to begin with. Mon is in school as well which keeps her just as busy as me, Moony had to resign, and Fen is very busy with work as well. I get that it sucks that we don't have that many update item-wise, believe me, I feel terrible that I can't personally do more. That's great that the other site you mentioned can do so much, but that's one example. Everyone's situation is different, and sometimes that means a delay, and all we can hope is that people still remain loyal to Tris and the community here.

That being said, it IS hard to find people that are wanting to take a pixelist job at the moment. I've been looking as well for someone to help out. Not many takers.

Not to mention that our primary coder is working two jobs.

Rem 11-02-2013 11:15 PM

It's not unprecedented for an avatar site to have to take a break from releasing items for a bit due to issues. I know of a few who have had to. There simply isn't anybody to do the work right now, that's the bottom line. Not to the standards of our quality (this other website I'd be interested to know if they release items with as many poses/depth of poses/quality as this site.) If anyone knows of anybody who pixels or codes with copious amounts of free time, feel free to get them to come on board! It would be great and we'd welcome them with open arms. In the meanwhile, the forums still exist. Items have always felt like extra perks and not the point of the site, to me, but YMMV.

Nexess 11-02-2013 11:36 PM

:I I dress up cause I get bored, I could care less about the items to be honest, I'd just like people to talk to, who aren't uppity or annoyed at me for not really feeling like going out and spending stupid amounts of money.

Yes, I really just said I just came here cause you guys are cool and don't pressure me to do things, and that'd the honest truth.

Lauv - o3o We're legit trying to get the items out though hun, it's just very tough with everyone being so busy, the site isn't going to shut down, it's just that we won't be releasing new DI's right now. There is a few new items in the shops though, they were put out a few days ago.

littl3chocobo 11-03-2013 01:49 AM

i dont think anyone could get mad about that meiz, you have it perfectly<3

Lauv Keiko 11-03-2013 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultima (Post 1594665)
^That. It honestly makes me upset when people leave because there is a lack of storyline/item updates.

I'm here for the community. For the friends I've made and the friends I've yet to make. To have somewhere to go when I need to talk and to be here for someone when they need to. It's like getting mad at a free con for not having enough events or vendors for you. It's like ... you could try walking around and socializing? That's what it's there for. To hang out with people with similar interests.

Sorry if any of that sounded rude. I didn't mean for it to...


I do agree with you on this, ulti-baby. The community is great. I love it.

However...the friends that I met here, and still had contact with after they quit, had all told me that they do enjoy the site for the friends, but they were here originally for the shinies and funsies. (I know, I sound like a kid)


I held back my quitting mainly because, as what Meiz said, this place is like a sanctuary...I can go here, rant, complain, whine, and receive love from anyone AND won't get judged... AT ALL.
(yes, all caps and bolded for emphasis and a hint of red.)



... but I didn't intend for this thread to BLAST like this. C'mon people, I don't want any drama, I have had an infraction because I caused drama years ago. I didn't post this thread to blame staffers, I was merely asking why there's a delay. I'm curious. I do not even donate to the site to picket at it for not releasing items, so I don't have the right to complain about the items not being released.
>> I have this urge to help trisphee... sad thing is, I can't pixel, I can't code c++/java/html to save my life, I only draw with pencils on paper, my writing skill sucks goat-balls, and I wouldn't be able to moderate well because of poor judgment.


It's more like a feeling for me when I see the aurum items, posting like crazy, buying it... THEN talking to people WHY I like it and how many I bought.


@Nexxy: Yes, I know how much you guys are working your hardest for us. I really appreciate that.

I didn't ask for the items to be released right away after I asked, I was just curious. xD

I wanted to know each person's side on this, and also the staff's side on what's going on.

I am not someone special to be pleased.

...


Also, I think my question has been answered. Real life issues had been holding back the creators, and I completely understand that.


.... :p-cry:

Lauv Keiko 11-03-2013 11:03 AM

All I've got to say is that...

HYOOMANS, don't blow this OUT of proportion. Jeez, I was just asking "WHY" "WHEN"


I appreciate everyone sharing their opinion, but... I sense tension in the air.

is that really necessary?


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Edit:

Let's be honest though, people. What's the reason why most people get into avatar sites?

1.) For the cool avatars
2.) For the amazing items
3.) Great community
4.) Entertainment


It just so happened that trisphee's Great community overpowered the rest and that's the reason people stay here.

But as for those who donate real money to the site (I know some of them, and most have already quit), it's an investment. They enjoy this way too much to actually be paying money.

It's like, I'd find a way to earn money to buy cigarettes...and I know that it's not healthy for me, but I feel okay and much better when I smoke.

If it were not for me having issues with donating, I would have donated long before. But issues are issues, I'm too damn stupid to deal with it with my bank.

Anyways, people go here to unwind, relax and all.
It's not cold-hearted and mean when people say, "I am here for the items," because, LET'S BE HONEST, they were HERE originally for the items.

When I first came here, I was like, "OMG. THE AVIS. OMG. PAPER DOLLS. DREAM COME TRUE." I fan-girl-ed over trisphee. When I realized how amazing the people were, I fan-gasmed. And now, the real reason why I am still here is because of that realization.

What also saddens me, is whenever I get here, I remembered that most of the people I actually talk to here have either quit, or are lurking about.

Meizicht 11-03-2013 11:38 AM

I meant it's cold for people, who have friends/made friends here, to say they are here just for the items and would leave if the items dropped in frequency/quality, instead of staying there for friends they've made or for the community. Maybe I'm just different from people, but to me it would kind of hurt a bit to have someone I've made friends with here suddenly go "eh this site sucks now, because of the items" and just leaves, while I'm thinking.. aren't we enough of a reason to stay/are we valued less than pixels? That's how I look at it.
Sorry.

I'm also sorry for helping to blow it out of proportion. I'm pretty sure I was the one who started it by leaving a large post about it, and I kept at it; I have a bad habit of speaking when I shouldn't. ^^;
Sorry again.


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