I don't think Udyr falls off late. Honestly I think he is strong all game. He becomes very tanky as the end rather than super damage, but building Wit's end helps your MR and dmg. Jungling as tiger is also viable now, so you can gank even harder.

My usual jungle build is Phoenix>Turtle>Bear>Tiger>Max Phoenix>Max Turtle>Max Tiger

My usual lane build doesn't exist. Does anybody play Udyr in lane? O.o

Is Hecarim still pretty good i nthe jungle? I still have him, and just never see him anymore.

Yeah Hecarim is fine, and yes people top lane Udyr at times. Should really max bear and level 3 one of the dmg stances because you could use that movespeed rush from bear.

*shrug* I'll try it sometime.

I have this really terrible idea to do a team of just aD champions focused around attack speed, and have us all build Ohmwreckers <<

An AoE team would destroy you. A team with tanks in general that can get in the way then you would get cleaved down.

oh man that reminds me of all tanks! Played a game where we all played someone tanky, it ended up being Me(Volibear), Garen, Mordekaiser, Singed, and Shen

I got owned by an all tank team when black cleaver was new and OP. They let us pick Blitzcrank, then picked Mundo, Swain, Singed, Garen, and one other really tanky guy, I don't remember who anymore. They rushed health early then built resistances and finally black cleavers on the ones who could use them. We couldn't kill them all game, then finally late game when they had cleavers they could slowly kill us off while we couldn't do anything. Our ADC built Blade of Ruined King and our AP built Liandry's, but the %health wasn't enough. We might have had a chance if our AD was Vayne or Kog, but we didn't see it coming until it was too late.

Whoot patch update.

But no Thresh yet. And Eve nerfs. :c
I tried out Hybrid Eve yesterday in a custom game. If she gets a lot of gold, she can burst somebody down to half and then if they stay to fight, she can lifesteal/spellvamp so much that she can tank all the damage. I think Jungle Eve may become more popular than Mid Eve now.

Ehh thresh seems like he might be odd, and I love this Udyr buff. They're just like Monkey Reflexes doesn't do enough. Hmmm give it aspd with armor and mr % increase. :D

Yeah, the Udyr buff is nice, I should really try it out sometime. I just don't like jungling as much as the other roles though. :v

Quit being lame, and come on out of the lane. :P

But I'm scurd. o.o
At least at my elo, everything is the jungler's fault. If the jungler can't/doesn't gank whether it's being too low on health or the laner pushing or anything, everyone rages at the jungler. I would like to get better at jungling, but I usually come out of the jungler poor and squishy and don't contribute a lot to midgame teamfights.
I do like watching Stonewall jungle videos and I try to learn from them. I at least feel a little more like I know what I'm doing than I did a few months back.

Oh god please do not watch stonewall darling. I can not stand him at all, and yes your right if they aren't winning their lane all they do is blame the jungler all day long. It's sad, and usually is not the jungler's fault they can't be everywhere. Just played a match as Draven, and had a Nunu support (not sure why Nunu.) I wasn't gonna complain though. We were fighting a Sivir, and Lulu though. I was getting harassed out the ass by Lulu, and her slow with pix crap. It was quite annoying I must say then I had team members doing nothing mid game except saying GG we lose. Bad people just like to play the blame game, and you can always expect it to happen. It's quite sad I must say, but you wont escape it. If you're winning the other team is QQing, and if you're losing your team is the one doing it. Just have to be strong, and try to ignore it all and do your absolute best. All their griping will do is drag you down.

Okay, I've played before on my desktop, but just dual-booted my laptop and can play on it. Going to be a bit rusty.....and have to remember my login.

Ooo you're going to play with me Alpha?