Yeah I mean it's not like someone just said lets buy/sell current DIs for 4k per because it's fun. It's because it actually makes sense to sell/buy them at that price if you factor in everything.

And it's not like the price suddenly jumped. It's been gradually increasing the past few months from what I've seen.

Exactly, xD. And here everyone is saying it increased out of nowhere.

Ashley this is a start of a beauuuutiful friendship! xD

XD Personally I saw it go from 2.5k to 3k to 3.5k to 4k over the course of some months.

Some people seem to think it was selling for 2.5k and jumped straight to 4k+ for some reason

Likewise xD if I took the time I can completely name every month with each price change took in that general month.

Yeah, I guess some people might have been on hiatus and missed it, but I can't really think of any other reasons that people didn't notice it unless they never go in the merchant square forum.

They might of not notice it, I know the price change started in February with the bear/dragon item going for 3k-3.5k xD. People might have just didn't realize it because it was still in the 3k area.

Hm, maybe so. I guess when it hit 4k+ they started to notice it more

Yeah, I'm sure if you check old threads you can see the price change easily.

Oh, you meant 4k for the CURRENT monthlies? I thought you meant the PREVIOUS monthlies. In my personal opinion (this is NOT an official statement and should not be considered as such) selling current monthlies 4k is a little bit steep but probably not high enough to warrant stepping in (although isn't the price of runes right now such that you'd be better off buying runes and getting the monthlies yourself?).

I think it would be, it made me donate 5 dollars this month xD
Prices are 2.5k - 5k right now per 20 for runes.
Not too bad at all.
10k per 20 would most likely be a problem unless there was natural inflation backing it up.

If the price of runes NATURALLY inflated to that price I wouldn't be arguing about the market; that would be more accurate to say that the value of aurum had fallen. I WOULD, however, be looking into making some changes to figure out how to balance it back out for the sake of poorer users -- a weak base currency is bad for everyone.

Upon further reflection, I suppose that could also mean that the value of the rune is shooting up too high due to scarcity, but that actually means BIGGER problems for Trisphee (though it's not so bad for the users).

the prices of previous monthlies are hardly rising while the prices of current monthlies/runes are getting pretty steep. I wouldn't pay 4k per 20 runes. and I DID see a jump a few months ago when runes were gradually climbing from 2.5k to 3k per 20. I saw some go for 5k per 20. it was only one or two sales then, but it did jump to 5k, not gradually by any means. I understand rune prices going up in general. 3.5k doesn't startle me. but 4k and 5k does.

@Coda
Exactly xD
Yay! Everyone is on the same page now!
I'd love to see how you guys counter it.

@Lucid
It startles, but its not quite there to scare you yet. That's a good sign believe it or not. That means its time for change. And the old monthlies hardly rise because... Well for one there was more runes back then, and two people want newer and fancier things.

I don't really get "scared" when it comes to Trisphee, unless I think that the site is going to go under. No, startled is just as bad as scared when it comes to the market. But that's besides the point.

Yes, rune values are going up because of the scarcity of runes. But then why aren't older items inflating as much as the current ones?

"But then why aren't older items inflating as much as the current ones?"

.....
Just sit that in your head for a minute....
It will come to you....

That's sorta like saying why isn't that one 2004 MC on Gaia isn't worth over 10 million gold then its current million price tag.
So..
Is the item popular?
Items tend to sell more when they are just released, and increase/decrease by popularity.

Theres 2 other reasons I can post but I want you to figure them out on your own here.

That's why I was talking about runes and past monthlies, not current monthlies.

I'm starting to understand why Gaia does the envelopes. :P

it's not that they're not popular, because they're selling. but the prices haven't gone up in months. I bought an Inventors' Dream back in, like, February for 10k. it's STILL worth 10k. Rave Fevers, Pandora's Boxes, Woodland Archers, Dragon Lords, it's all the same thing. They sell, in fact some of them sell remarkably quickly, but as the prices for runes go up, the prices for old rune items sit at the same spot they've been all year.

xD 10k in Feb? They were 8k in Feb last time I checked. I should know because I bought/sell at those prices that month. And I remember questionably well because I had a conversation in jibber jabber a that time about the prices of Inventors dream and USB sword.

They have been slowly increasing like any other item. You just need to pay a extremely close attention to it. And items do balance out over time.

@ Coda
So you finally realized the purpose of envelopes? xD Took me a year on gaia to figure it out.

I didn't buy Gaia's monthlies so I never really took any time to think about it. :P Really I put VERY little money into Gaia.

I don't buy their monthlies because I can make more money buying rig bundles <3

I started to think about it because I thought it was stupid. Then I really got thinking and understood why they did it. I figured it out especially well in 2008, and if you look at there monthlies that year you can figure out why I figured it out quickly then, rather then in 2007.

Well, I didn't even buy the rigs. I made my avatars out of cheap stuff. XD

XD

I used to be worth 15m + in items, then rigs came and.. Long story short, I'm down to 4m in items now...

It's not that I'm afraid of change. I'm afraid of being driven away from Trisphee because the items are getting sold for too damn high from rich members. God forbid, if I want an extra of each monthly rune item, that's 20k aurum per month, 25k with two aurum monthlies. Not to mention, there's also yearlies and events.

It's not the "change" that's scaring people away, it's that we won't have any extra change for anything other than monthlies if the rich keeping sucking up our funds for one item.

Well thats if you pay 5k each. True, but remember you don't need to own every single item. (Unless thats your goal... Then good luck with it ^_^)
And if you can't afford a item, then buy Runes. :/

In a couple of years, you won't have the kind of time you do right now and you won't appreciate how expensive each item costs. 5+ of every monthly item every month is a lot. I worry about anyone who has that kind of time to spend on the computer.

The most I will spend on a monthly item here is 3.5k, and that tops it. If it becomes any higher than that, I will leave Trisphee, or buy runes/items and sell them, but to a specified list of people. The problem with spending money on here is that it takes money to live. If I can get an item on here without spending money, great! But if it's also difficult to buy a monthly item with virtual currency, I'm gonna have to say goodbye.

So you will leave if someone else can't spend money on the site to sell to you? You'd leave?
You know runes cost this much because people aren't buying a lot of runes to begin with.

Yes it takes money to live, but it also takes money to make the site live.

And Ginger that was kinda a mean way to put your feelings :/ not to me, but towards the site. Is there anything you want to rephrase? xD I make mistakes all the time and you might have said something off. Is that truly how you feel?

So you're saying you donate to Trisphee? I thought I read you say that you don't donate to avatar sites. If that's the case, why should I have to be entitled to keep the site alive when you don't donate either?

People are buying runes, but they are also hoarding runes. It seems there's more hoarding going on than selling.

And I wasn't dissing on Trisphee, or anyone really. I have other sites I'm on that also take time to gain virtual currency, and when I said "here" I based it off of how much aurum I get per post, how active the site is, etc. Trisphee's artists do a really great job with their monthlies and it would be a shame if I, or a lot of other users, couldn't afford to wear them because the prices are so jacked up. Sure, I'd be better off buying them with real money, but with what real money? Wouldn't you be better off paying for them as well, or anyone else? The problem is that we have to live.

I don't find anything that I said on my above post was insulting. I wasn't directing it at anyone or anything.

I never said that? .. Unless you had read a old comment saying that I never donated to this site yet. But I ended up spending 25 (or was it 30..) during the japan donation relief, and 5 dollars this month. :/ Plus that doesn't have to do with anything I said to begin with. It looks like your just getting it out there for open debate on someone else other then yourself. Or for another reason for some other purpose.

You seemed pretty steamed, try reading older posts and freshen up what we already covered if you haven't already.

Oh and if the problem is that you have to live, why don't you live?

I don't think anything Ginger said sounded insulting at all. I'd love to donate to Trisphee and support the site, but I have rent to pay, food to buy, car payments to make, tuition to be smothered by. Even with all that, I've donated more than you have, Illusion. now that rent is getting more expensive and I can't donate anymore, I'm in the same boat as everyone else who can't donate - I don't have time to make a ton of aurum by posting because I have school, work, and I'm looking for a second job. but I still like to go on Trisphee to relax. I love the items here and I want to be able to collect all of them - making avatars is fun for me, I like being creative and using the gorgeous things our pixelists make. but it turns stressful, not fun, if it's too hard to make the money needed in order to buy the items. on top of monthlies, we have yearlies, and someday we'll start putting out those seasonals that were mentioned a while back.

and I agree with Ginger on the rune hoarding. as far as I can see, most of the people who are donating are either hoarding or selling large amounts to specific people instead of spreading runes around.

I think people should be able to sell and buy items for whatever price they want. If they want to pay too much, then go ahead, it is their choice. I'm not going to go around telling them that they should buy/sell this item for this or that much. Their money...so they can do whatever they want with it. :)

Tyler, I'm done with this. Do it your way and I'll do it mine, and same for everyone else. Wanna mess with the growth of Trisphee right off the bat by encouraging items to get more expensive? By all means, go for it. Forget anything I ever said and carry on for everyone else's sake. And I don't feel I was being rude, but now that I feel YOU are being rude, I'm giving you the same treatment. I wasn't steamed before but you just did a pretty good job of pissing me off. I'm done with this thread.

Tyler, I agree with Ginger. You do sound kind of rude. ;;
You have yet to understand that when you grow up you actually have to spend
money on real things - a house, a car, college. All of that money could be
gone the moment you get it. Right now we don't have to deal with those things
because we have to ask our parents for money. That money that you wanted to
use to donate to the site is gone. What are you going to do then ?

You're not seeing it from the other side of this. You're focusing on what
you believe should be done. I don't want to be dragged away from
Trisphee because items are becoming 1Ok for one item for that month.
This isn't gaia. New and amazing items that come out shouldn't be like the
rigs on gaia that cost 1mil or 5OOk. But if people start ruling the market
place with their prices, then I will leave.
And I love this site too much to leave.

And by the way - we speak or very little of this when we see each other.

Well.... This is no good. D:

The question is though, are there enough people buying for higher prices to worry that it's really going to influence prices across the board? I admit I don't go to the Exchange much, but it seems to me that it's a very small percentage of users that have enough disposable income to pay whatever they want for an item.

It's like--
Say there's five people selling 20 runes. Buyer wants runes RIGHT NOW and goes to Seller 5 and offers 5k for all 20. Seller 5 agrees. Now on other sites, you would see perhaps Seller 1-4 immediately upping their rune prices. But Trisphee is small and there aren't all -that- many people using the exchange anyway. I think if Seller 1-4 then went 'Okay it's 5k for my 20 runes' they would not get any sales. Then after a bit, they'd have to drop prices back down to reasonable.

(Runes might be a bad example because they're rare, but I think it'd work the same with an item. Five sellers are selling the same item, random Buyer buys from one for very high price, I think the other four - considering this site's size and userbase - would be pretty stupid to be like Oh okay that ONE guy paid 20k for this, so everybody has to now)

They wouldn't sell anything.
This might be a concern once the site gets more active, definitely. But right now I don't think it's something to really worry about?

I just think most people want to have at least one if each monthly. And that's, soon to be 12,5k per month. WHY I should having that goal? Only because some people want to pay more? That's not really fair. Then trade between those who have the insane arum amounts and leave general sales alone.

Sure, I would get my aurum, if there wasn't such a HUGE supply of event items and someone bought them, even if underpriced. And I can't sell any earlier monthlies because the cost was already high enough for me to not be able afford any EXTRAS.

At rem: the thing is, fotne there is jsut ONEEE seller at time. And if they get offers/chanses at such sales, no way they will accept lower offer.

Giving an offer higher than the asking price is, as Lucid has brought up repeatedly, NOT something you should be doing when someone is SELLING something. If the seller wants the price to be open-ended to sell to the highest bidder, then it needs to be an auction and there needs to be a definitive end date for the auction.

If the buyer is choosing to spend a higher price rather than shopping around for the lowest price, that's really screwing with market pressures.

I tend to only pay what I consider to be the base price XD Although, I do SELL rather low.

Oh! Okay THAT makes complete sense.
I'm sorry that was my bad. I so rarely visit the marketplace that when I think of selling threads, I almost ALWAYS think of the threads where people are like 'make an offer' and then someone's like '3k' and they're like 'nope too low'
But those aren't selling threads, are they?

I've seen threads like that, that call themselves selling threads, and then someone will quote a price that's in direct line with what you see in a price guide, but the seller will still be like 'nah' and then someone will quote a price that's like over the highest in the guide and only then will they sell.

But that's still like, not a selling thread, tho, is it? That's still kind of like an auction thread. Cos if you don't take the market/price guide price, you are auctioning to the highest bidder no matter what you call it, even if they offer only like 1k over what's standard, that's still a bid, not a buy.

I honestly just now realized that, my brain just clicked into place.

edit: are the differences between set price selling threads and open price auction threads set out in black and white in the Exchange rules? Because if this was the first site that said 'okay if you don't have set prices for the items you're selling, you're auctioning, and you have to have a start and end date' I think that would be really awesome. I mean those kind of threads are why I don't Exchange at all, you never know what someone wants or what they're going to take.

That's something Lucid said she's going to be refining.