*peeks in* morning everyone

Mornin'. :]

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Side note; the awkward moment where your shoulder/neck area was hurting real bad, so you put a heat pad on it, I've never felt better but now my arm doesn't seem to want to cooperate with drawing because my muscles aren't tense. WTF WORLD.

i have family down there, I don't see them much
and the heat kills be during February soo I don't want to be there for summer.

I love the city, but I will never live there.

most people just gave up and text me no matter what.
xD

braver for hitting people?
no that just makes me more violent
its not normally to hard tho.

i will~

true story,
some of the kindest people have gone through hell...

I must get ready for work now
sooo

I'll have to continue to chat with you later

hey obbie,

Talk to you later Neirra

well see you later mizzy

That WIP makes me smile :)

Harley makes amazing art doesn't she ^_^

i feel like i missed a lot last night... morning obbie

Morning WS how are you today ?

i is good. you?

hoping for work to go nicely this week~

Mizzie; Have fun at work. <3 I kinda crashed right after you left. xD I swear I only put my head down for two seconds!

Neirra; I forgot what I nicknamed you... must've been a poor nickname. And yay for breakfest.

Espy; I'm glad you're liking it so far. I think you'll be happy with the final product if everything goes according to plan. :3

Obbie; Daaaw. You sweet talker you. :]

WS; Mornin' and you didn't miss too much really.

Nice WIP Hel! I hope Espy likes hers...

I'm chuckling at the huge amount of references she pulled up XD

Nice, looks like it shall be quite interesting.

Espy; I like being thorough!! xD I have every single picture you linked me to pasted together.

Tiva; :D Thanks. I'm so glad there's interest in my WIP's. xD;; 'Cause i take a lot of them. I have a huge collection of WIP pictures of just about every single piece I've ever made.

Alpha; I'm personally excited 'cause once again, I'm doing the stupid ambitious thing and trying a pose I've never attempted before. xD

Poses are fun. Poses plus perspective...that's what I'm working on.

Hey, that's the benefit of being an artist is that you can try new things, and they can still turn out amazing.

I've spent my entire career as an artist avoiding eyes, feet, hands, and complicated poses. I've recently become more adventurous tho'. Mainly ' cause I'm getting paid. xD;; I tend to take short cuts and hide things when I do some of my personal doodles but if I'm getting paid it's like a job and that means you do it right.

That's definitely the attitude to have!

I actually haven't drawn much recently. That needs to get fixed.

Feet are a bit bothersome, but hands and eyes and faces are fun. Well, hands are a bit iffy, but...yeah.

I've been slowly branching out from drawing hands as mittens and getting a bit more detail, but you'll notice that the hands always kinda look mitten-y. xD; And I hope that now that's not all you'll see.

Just angles/perspective is super hard for me because legs and arms confuse the hell out of me.

Alpha; Yeah, it just gets me in over my head sometimes. I think this is the most males I've ever drawn in my life too. xD

Well, if it's nakie arts then at least it's an excuse to do some interesting "research".

You draw proportions really well, though.

I have...issues...with people drawing bad anatomy. I know that's a lot of people, but...I make anaomy a top priority in my art, so when people draw poses that aren't physically possible, I do my awkward cringing...-ishness.

Haha, most of my research is of that type when I'm doing body study/poses.

I'm glad my response works for both of ya'll sort of. xD Let's just say I spend a lot of time looking at pictures of people. Not just porn and naughty things but in general. I have a massive reference collection that spans several areas of my computer. I haven't managed to organize it all together yet.

I never draw without a reference in mind or at hand. If it's something I'm familiar with I don't need it, like I'm pretty good with hips/torso, especially for women and kinda how long it should be, and thighs. Breasts still elude me sometimes if the arms are raised or stretched at angles to make sure that the flesh follows correctly.

But yeah. Porn and naked pictures. All over my computer. xD I prefer them to refs with a lot of clothing on it because then I don't understand the body structure.

I also know all of the main bone structures in the body and have a reference with all of the muscle structure of a woman and a man and differences between them.

Which is to say; thanks Espy. xD That's always what ends up hardest for me to do. I draw and re-draw and am always grateful for the lasso tool and being able to stretch things at will. xD

-peaks into shop-

hello everyone

Nice. Well, whatever helps ya work. Honestly, I understand since it allows you to see the body without any kind of distortion from clothing and also some of the motions as well.

Need references for guys' frame/body structure? I managed to net a ton of them back when I was trying to teach a friend.

:3 Yay, Mizzie's back in the shop.

Alpha; I got into trouble about that with my mom once. xD I mean I like girls too but I had pictures legit just for reference, nothing weird about it. She got soo pissed. She has now told me years later that she should've sent me to church camp.

Espy; I have some but more is always welcomed. xD Most of my collection is from this guy I befriended that ordered art from me who swung both ways, so he gave me his male near porn folder to draw from. xD;;; We bonded quite quickly.

Hel: I can relate to the religious parent sort of thing. My dad would have done something similar. Nothing wrong with it though.

My dad still doesn't know. My mom ignores that it's there. I don't really flaunt it in front of the family or anything. We had one conversation about it when she saw me and my ex kissing in the pool. How, I don't know 'cause I was damn careful about it. She told me she was welcome over anytime and that she loved my friend but she wondered where she went wrong in raising me, and that I'm a role model to my sister, and how we'd never tell my father because it would be too much for him. (Tho' honestly I really think he'd be okay with it. He's a douchebag and a dick, but I don't think he has issues with that.)I'm waiting on the phone call from my mom disowning me from the family because my sisters 100% lesbian, and all on her own without my influence.

The funny thing is, we don't even really talk about religion in my family that much.

Oh wow.....that is a bit extreme. I really don't know what to say......

Honestly, my dad disowned me without any other reason than I disagreed with how he treated me as a child even after I turned 18. He even tried to turn the rest of my family against me (bit him in the arse though).

Aaaactually, I'll throw refs at you later. I have no idea where that folder went.

It's something I kinda laugh at, that's just about the way I deal with it. I've never been in good standing with the family anyway. It was just funny when she said "What would your sister think?" and at the time in my head I was like 'Oh mom. If only you knew. At least I still like dick. She's just straight up dyke'. xD;;

When she does come out it won't be pretty tho'. Especially since she's already kinda taking after me. I have 6 tattoo's and this year, he first year away at college, she got 3. xD;; (Good tattoo's mind you but my parents are mad at me for that one. My mom called me up and told me to tell her she couldn't get them, my only response was "Mom. I have 6. I can't tell her jack shit.") And she's starting to dye her hair like I do. >.< Hopefully that's where she stops taking after me, I'm shit for a role model. lol

Wow, your dad sounds like a grade a D-bag. Glad the rest of the family had your back tho'. That's always a relief. You seem to be stable at least, so, that's at least something that came out of it.

[edit]espy; No worries. I'm always around. :]

Eh, he is a bit. He's a bit....weird. He has his own way of remembering things. Not even selective, let's call it creative memory. Also a bible thumping SOB....which is funny considering when he was my age he did worse to his parents than anything I ever did. He frankly flat out ignores me and won't respond to any attempt by me to keep in touch (I try for my younger siblings since I'm a bit afraid of what he and my stepmother will do in raising them).

And yeah, that sounds like a powder keg......I don't envy you or your sister with that situation.

Haha, isn't that generally how it is? I've only heard a few stories about what my parents did when they were young and if those are the mild ones they're allowed to tell, my parents did some serious screwing around with their lives. It's like when they get older they have this weird "you're just as bad as I am" attitude and then take out shit they probably feel about themselves on you.

Wow, I'm sorry you've got siblings kinda stuck in that position, especially with that embargo on contact.

I figure I'll do all right. I've been the scapegoat/punching bag for my family's issues since I was a kid. She's the baby of the family so I think she'll do all right as long as they're just focusing it on it being my fault. As long as she gets out of it with where she wants to be in life and in relation to my parents I'll live.

*stalks Harlot* >>;

<3 I love being stalked. Makes me feel lurved. :D

-pokes thread-

sorry I didn't stay at all earlier... things came up
x.x;

had the best time at dennys tho.
and the corset doesn't look half bad

It's all good. It's not like you're chained to this place. -hides hand cuffs- >.>

<3 I'm glad you had a good time at Denny's. I want details! I'm living vicariously through your night time excursions.

Corset? xD You'll have to remind me it's been a few pages since that conversation, were we still on that?

oh dear, umm...

thats a LOT to type up
xD

lemme see what I can come up with in a few minutes.
-just woke up-

I got a free one last night at dennys, and it didn't look half bad on me.